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Ordinarily, the self-styled 'ethical' SEOs could be laughed off as cranks, but the Internet is a small world and there aren't many places where people can go for search engine optimization advice. It doesn't take many 'cranks' on a crusade to dominate those places to the extent that seo novices and webmasters can be easily misled into thinking that their views are shared by the majority of search engine optimizers and their methods are the 'normal' or 'proper' way of doing search engine optimization - none of which is true.
The recommendations for and against the following forums are based solely on each forum's tolerance of 'unethical' views. Whether or not a person is likely to find information on both sides of the debate is stated in each forum's description.
Webmaster World - recommended
The biggest by a long way. It has a massive active membership and is not dominated by people of any particular seo persuasion. The only thing wrong with it is that it's too big, and useful information isn't always easy to find without starting your own threads or wading through some very large ones.
Search Engine Forums - recommended
Used to be the biggest forum around but, as Webmaster World grew, Search Engine Forums shrank into a smaller, more useful forum.
SEO Chat - recommended
A forum where views of all shades are both tolerated and encouraged. The forum is growing but is still small enough for discussions to maintain a 'personal' feel.
Cre8asiteforums - recommended (sort of)
A small forum where views of all shades are acceptable but, due to the general inclination of the moderators, the overall tendancy is to the so-called 'ethical' side.
Ihelpyou - best avoided
Small forum, owned and completely dominated by an 'ethical'. The carefully selected Moderators naturally share his views. Anyone expressing views that don't agree with theirs are likely to be verbally savaged, insulted and effectively driven out. They don't delete posts that express views with which they disagree, but there is no attempt at genuine discussion - only at dominating, savaging and insulting. Since most posts are written by the Moderators, it is virtually impossible to gather the information required to form your own opinions.
Finally and ironically...
For all that the 'ethicals' strive to stay within the search engines' rules and guidelines, and for all their efforts to spread their 'gospel' all over the Internet world, the search engines themselves don't approve of the seo methods that the 'ethicals' accept! For instance, Google is against search engine optimization of any kind (see Search Engine Optimization and Google), and that includes what the 'ethical' search engine optimizers do.

Addendum
17th August 2003
I came across this today:-
"THE proven method of ranking well in your desired search phrases is simply to provide great content with appropriate page architecture in a category that is not already dominated by cheaters doing keyword stuffing and using other unethical techniques to gain top positions".
It is part of an article entitled "Unethical SEO and Guarantees", which can be found here. This paragraph supports what I've written about in this article and in the SEO copywriting article. In the paragraph, the author concedes that it is pointless trying to compete in competitive categories by using the so-called 'ethical' techniques. With his "proven method", if your category is being competed over, you simply can't rank well for "your desired search phrases".
NOTE: He uses the word "cheating" to describe certain SEO techniques of which he doesn't approve. No SEO technique is cheating. Some are unethical, but none of them are cheating.
29th August 2003
This article has been the subject of discussion in a number of forums recently. One discussion at the Webmaster Forum is very positive, whereas the one at the Highrankings forum started out to be generally negative, though not completely so, but ended up revealing the truth.
Because of what the forum's owner said and did during that discussion, I decided to reveal the name of this article's "eye-opening example". It is Jill Whalen - the forum's owner. During the discussion, Jill called me a liar and said that I was twisting things. Soon afterwards she admitted that what I'd said about her, both there and in this article, is actually true.
At one point she stated that "Nobody EVER needs to use spam techniques to get ahead" (the capitalization is hers). By "spam techniques", she means what she calls 'unethical' techniques. And then she went on to say, "I freely admit that I don't optimize for highly competitive keywords...........I don't optimize for one-word keywords, and many two-word phrases that might be extremely competitive".
In other words, Jill Whalen doesn't even attempt to optimize for competitive search terms because she knows that her methods can't succeed, and yet she keeps on telling people that "Nobody EVER needs to use spam techniques to get ahead". She even holds seminars and charges people money to listen to it. She knows the truth and yet she continues to deceive people - and she takes money for deceiving them. Now, that's unethical.
In another thread in her forum she said, "If a phrase seems awfully competitive, it can be "scary" to optimize for, in that the optimization might not work. I don't like to fail, and I might not shoot for a phrase because I'd be afraid to fail". She chooses the weaker search terms and avoids the competitive ones because she knows that her methods would fail with them. But it's the competitive search terms that deliver the bulk of the traffic.
I think that just about says it all.
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